he got 2% in iowa. he got third place in new hampshire and called himself the comeback kid. you don't necessarily start out ahead to win a democratic primary. most of the front-runners usually lose. >> let me ask you about greatness. let's think about, you may not want to say you're a partisan democrat, but let me put it on the table. what's good for the democratic party? i want an answer here. is it good for the democratic party that secretary clinton, should she announce, i think she will announce she's running for president, that she faces some primary challenger, people out there, maybe not you, but make o'malley, maybe someone else. who knows who. is it better for her to have some opponents, spars partners in the spring and summer on that go into that general election as the anointed candidate alone? what's better for the party? >> it's better to have a primary, in particular for secretary clinton. because if there's no pry maker it appears she's the incumbent and obama has an approval rating of 42%. if she's running as the incumbent, it's difficult for her to divorce h